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Tuesday, 30 May 2006



hmmm... seems interestin bro. my biggest problem with buddhism is the lack of evidence buddha brings. i mean, even if all that is said bout him is true, from what i know (which addmitedly isnt that much), the guy just sat under a tree n had a brainwave. Allah (SWT) didnt teach him, did the guy just think 'hey, wait a minuite... YE! thats it! thats gotta b true!'? the guy has no proof 2 back up his claims bout nirvana n all that. just a philosipher with a few more followers than all the other big thinkers in my opinion. maybe u can shed sum light on this ARG?



ARG coment:
Yahya my man, I think that you have just about summed it up. Still, Buddha it seems did try really hard to find "the truth." There is alot of stuff in his teachings that makes a lot of sense and any Muslim could agree with. One perhaps shouldn't be too dismissive of his efforts, after all one of the world's major religions is founded on his teachings, and its still going strong. Something like that always makes me stop and think because the nature of falsehood is that it perishes and truth remains. Still the conclusion I came to is the same as yours. However great the ideas, they are still just the thoughts of man, and what is that compared to the wisdom of Allah.


ye, im sure the guy worked prty hard 2 put somethin together, but so did hitler. ur right, he probly does have alot goin 4 him, but we'll c how far ittl get him wen he realises settin himself up as a rival 2 Allah SWT wasnt realy an 'enlightend' thing 2 do. hopin 2 meet u in jannah.


ARG comment:
The problem is we don't really know what Buddha actually taught. I know of a convert from Buddhism who used to be a Buddhist monk who has some quotes of Buddha talking about God. As for Hitler, well he build the autobahns. That's something.
Also to be completely dismissive of everyone or everything that was not produced by a Muslim, isn't really Islamic, or practical. The Propeht used warfare techniques from the Persians for example. If Buddhas teachings are not, as some would claim, a de facto religion, simply becasue there is no God or gods to worship, but in fact just a physical, mental and spiritual discipline to help you achieve balance in your life then is it not something Muslims can use and benefit from?


im not completely dismissin wat the guy said, i like his ideas on materialism 4 example, im just sayin that all the ppl he's missled render any good he had insignificant. as 4 hitler, the man had his uses, but he also killed millions (i think) of jews, not 2 mention all the disabled etc folk aswell. im sure if u look hard enough u can find good in both these guys, but there is no denyin the harm they caused and r causin millions (probly billions)of ppl, buddha more so, at least hittler just killed (and missled a few), how many has buddha misslead? how much shirk has buddha caused??? i dont mean 2 suggest ur all 4 buddhism bro, just lettin all know my thoughts. barakallah fiqh.


ARG comment:
Bro, its important you read everything carefully, because the problem is we don't actaully know much about Buddha. Of course if he did teach shirk you are completely right. There is nothing worse that Shirk. As for Hitler, I wasn't for one second praising him. One should always try to be balanced and just, that is all.


got iiiit bro. u r right, balanced is the way, alhamdullilah.

NOTE!!!: everythin i said above refers 2 the common view of buddha!

Umer Siddique

Assalamu alaikum,

Last year I read Karen Armstrong's book on the History of Islam (brief history or something like that). The only thing about her is that I got the feeling she was all too much supportive of every single little thing - that's good as she gave her views of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam)'s marriage with Aishah, polygamy in general, the betrayal by the Jewish tribes and their consequences, etc.

But other things for example military expeditions - she put them all down to an extension of pre-Islamic tribal attacks that were now just adapted to the ummah as one big tribe! As if relegating jihad to a totally un-Islamic practise. Anyway, I thought at times she was so apologetic that she may have wanted to influence the Muslims by her thoughts.

I liked the last chapter on Islam in the modern world (cant remember title exactly though).

Fatima Barkatulla

A book which affected me profoundly....as a Muslim girl born and brought up in London into a religious family, but never really knowing how to present Islam feel confident about Islam, was THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF MALCOLM X. Though I'm not Black, nor have I faced the degree of racism he and other people have, I recognised some of his experiences and frustrations (perhaps because I remember the treatment that my very patient parents got from some white people in the estate we first lived on in Hackney.) Many of his insights into society in general were things that I had recognised but had never had the words to express...it was also the first time I read about a modern day person who came to Islam and spoke about Islam. There were hardly any Muslims in my girls' secondary school in High Barnet and I was the only person who wore hijab, and faced many questions and comments which I tried my best to answer but often felt I did a very inadequate job. After reading his autobiography, I went to school with my head held a little higher than before and feeling more proud about my Islam and knowing I had nothing to be apologetic about.

I didn't realise how much Malcolm X had affected people until I met Afro-American Muslims in Egypt, while studying there. Many of the older ones used to be in the Nation of Islam, but left around the time Malcolm X left, others left after being influenced by Malcolm X's conversion.

Back in the UK, I met even more people who actually first started looking into Islam after reading his autobiography and realising that he had become a True Muslim. These people were now Muslims, but it was Malcolm X's setting the record straight about Islam and where he stood at the end of his life that had made them want to become Muslims!
Even now, if I see some people, especially black people and offer them a leaflet about Malcolm X, they always want it, because they respect him so much and want to know about him.

So Masha Allah....a person and a book which has been a means to guide so many.

May Allah bless and reward Malik El-Shabbaz, Malcolm X, and may he get continuous reward (sadaqah jaariyah) for how his words have affected so many....from Indian Muslims girls from Hackney to Afro-Americans in New York!!

Fatima Barkatulla

As for Buddha, then his name means 'idiot' in Urdu and other Indian dialects, and didn't he die of eating rotten pork???

A muslimah

Islaam is Tawheed Tawheed Tawheed, there is NO comparison with Buddah with the Prophet (sallalaahu alayhi wa salaam)Autho billaah. Why would a muslim want to borrow from other religious traditions when Allaah aza waal jaal clearly says:

...This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion...
(Al-Ma'idah 5:3).


And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
(Aali Imran 3:85)

Innovation (bid'aah)in the religion is something that shaiytaan whispers into the hearts of many muslims. We need to turn to the Quraan and authentic sunnaah for guidence and seek refuge in Allaah from the evil of ourselves (desires).

Bukhari No. 2523 - Narrated Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected."

Bukhari No. 6170 - Narrated Abu Hazim from Sahl bin Sa'd:
The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor (forerunner) at the Lake-Fount, and whoever will pass by there, he will drink from it and whoever will drink from it, he will never be thirsty. There will come to me some people whom I will recognize, and they will recognize me, but a barrier will be placed between me and them." Abu Hazim added: An-Nu'man bin Abi 'Aiyash, on hearing me, said. "Did you hear this from Sahl?" I said, "Yes." He said, " I bear witness that I heard Abu Said Al-Khudri saying the same, adding that the Prophet said: 'I will say: They are of me (i.e. my followers). It will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you left'. I will say, 'Far removed, far removed (from mercy), those who changed (their religion) after me." Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection a group of companions will come to me, but will be driven away from the Lake-Fount, and I will say, 'O Lord (those are) my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge as to what they innovated after you left; they turned apostate as renegades (reverted from Islam)."


I think I will contribute something for discussion.

Firstly, Islam means absolute surrender to the will of Almighty God. If you search scriptures of all religions, whether Quran, Bible, The Torah, The Bhagavad Gita, the Avesta this is unquestionably the purpose of religion & that of human life as mentioned therein in these scriptures.

Yet, let us take the example of a christian, for example. Many christians from childhood are brought up to believe that Jesus is God. This wrong is evident to an objective observer. But to this christian it is an emotional issue. How does he reject someone whom he thought was God all his life ? It is certainly not easy.

It might torment him a lot. The Quran says that Allah is Most Merciful. Hence accordingly, as a mercy for such tormented souls like the christian just mentioned the teachings of Buddha exist still today.

People today fight over Gods, saying my god is greater than yours. Infact the truth is crying out loud & only the deaf cannot hear it. There is only One God. And we all belong to Him not He to us. Yet the idiots keep fighting over silly stuff.

One in the midst of this, one who is sensitive & pious yet confused, is offered through the teachings of Buddha a mercy by Allah, whereby he can follow precepts of religion without invoking God's name because he just cannot clear his mind about it.

This is indeed less fortunate than being aware of God & His Almighty Glory. But still it saves him from utter confusion & despair & steadies him towards the true path.

After all, the teachings of Islam & Buddhism have a lot of similarities. And don't you think any pious soul approaching Buddhism with a good intent of learning will be aided by Allah in his endeavour ? And ultimately I believe Nirvana is nothing but a state of eternal existence in the service of Allah. The question is one of faith & I have faith that Buddha was not a misguided idiot. A misguided idiot cannot be remembered after 2500 years as a guide for pious souls. God would not allow it.

Then if Buddhism was a corruption & a fallacy, how could any pious soul benefit from its teachings. Yet people benefit from its teachings & the religion survives even after 2500 years.
Why would Allah let it survive for that long a time if it did not benefit people but misguided them ?

And lastly it is definitely better to live one's life following Buddha's teachings rather than believe falsely in Jesus as God & putting all faith in him.

ARGcomment: Christianity is a parelell example. It contains truth and falsehood, although it is founded on truth, and the truth can be derived from it. It has survived for two thousand years. Also Hinduism is mostly falsehood from the Muslim perspective, but it has been around even longer than Budhism. So longevity is not a testament to the validity of something. Life is a test, so I do not see why Allah would not allow this. It is just another test.

Suzanne from Canada

As a convert to Islam, I have always considered that it is a very real possibility that Hinduism and Buddhism originated in Truth, and that, as we human beings, are responsible for the deviation in those "religions". As Allah SWT said in the Quran (and I do not have the direct quote but I'm sure we're all familiar with it) that he sent Messengers TO EVERY NATION. So Buddha, among others, may well have preached Monotheism. But Shaytan, and human beings, deviated the most important aspect of the religion (Monotheism), while allowing the lesser important truths (such as his teachings on Materialism & Spirituality) to remain. I think that given that Buddha lived SOOO long ago, we cannot take any direct "quote" from him as necessarily true, but neither can we take it as necessarily false. We can neither say that 'yes indeed he was a prophet and he taught monotheism but humans corrupted the religion', nor do I think we can say that 'no he was definately not a prophet because he taught shirk' (for which we cannot rely on the ancient quotes as hard evidence). Allah knows that He did indeed send prophets to EVERY nation (not just the Jews), and only He knows if indeed Buddha was one of them.
What we can say for sure is that Buddhism as it exists today practices Shirk, and therefore we must reject it, but there is no harm in studying it for the purpose of Universal understanding.

Salam Aleykum to Brother ARG, I don't know if you will read this comment or not, but if you do, I would very much like to recommend a book called "The Words" originally written by Said Nursi - a 20th century Turkish Muslim. The book consists of commentaries on various aspects of Islam. I have not completed it, but from what I have read so far, I find that it is good in that it has the capacity to inspire a deeper love for Allah SWT, His prophet SAS and for the practices within Islam (for example a commentary on the importance of "Bismillah", the importance of the 5 daily prayers, etc). I have been reading this book with a friend and I would be interested to hear your take on it. There are various translations out there, but probably the best would be by Sukran Vahide. May Allah SWT make the time pass slowly for you, so that you may find the time to continue to help Muslims, and May He reward you with Firdaws. (Ameen).

ARGcomemnt: I have read most of Saiid Nuri's books in English many years ago, and the benefit I got was what you mentioned, however there are some issues that he mentions that are problematic and I wouldn't really but it on any "must read" list.

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