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Thursday, 30 November 2006

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anealla

ASA
Check my blog to see what I said of the GP&U event...www.anealla.blogspot.com
Anealla
ARGComment:nice point anealla, mashallah!

NB

JazaakiLlah khair sister, that was very well put.

Ejaz

The sister hit the nail on the head mashaAllah. The effects of the Words of Allah "And befool them gradually with your voice" (17:64) were oh so obviously visible. I worked as a volunteer at the event for the two days and spoke to literally hundreds of people who stopped me to ask questions. Many many of them subhanAllah were asking about music and why it was being allowed. I couldn't give an answer except that I encouraged them to sign up to the workshops happening on Sunday in order to benefit more from their time there. These workshops unfortunately weren't even advertised properly and many people who wanted to attend either missed them or didn't know where to go to register for them. Even then alhamdulillah they were packed with over 200 people attending each of the seminars held by brothers Yasir Qadhi, Bilal Phillips and Yusuf Estes.

Something I saw on Saturday sort of summed up the whole situation. During the nasheed concert, I walked into the prayer hall (which was actually part of the same hall in which the concert was going on) and lo and behold I found the Mu'adhin of Masjid Haram in Makkah, sitting in the front row totally alone. Here is a man who has one of the most recognised voices in the entire muslim world, has been calling people to prayer in Islam's most sacred site for over 25 years and for many more years on Hajj on the Day of 'Arafah and has much knowledge yet there is no-one there to even keep him company. I was saddened when I saw this but also happy since I'd have some private time with him. Alhamdulillah I had a long sitting with the sheikh in which we discussed many things. I was sort of star struck, having lived in Saudi for six years and hearing the sheikh's voice almost everyday on television and on our trips to Makkah, and now I was sitting with him alone, conversing with each other as if we were old friends. SubhanAllah it was amazing. One thing was for sure, although he admired the noble aims of the event for purposes of da'wah, he wasn't happy at all with the concert going on and the over the top indulgence of muslims in this nonsensical nasheed culture. The nail in the coffin came when a nasheed incorporating the adhaan and synthesised music came on. All he could do was quote the first ayah of Surah Al-Ambiyaa. The sheikh was then told that the 'Isha adhan and salah in congregation was cancelled and the concert would not be interrupted for it. He got up, smiled at the brothers who had now gathered around him, gave them salaam and left unamused.

Such things are really saddening, when you see the scholars and daa'ees given so little time to speak and usually brought on at the end. Yet these useless waste of space muslims are the ones who are truly looked up to. It seems many muslims are cashing in on this music is haraam business, trying to create some sort of "Islamic Alternative" but fall prey to their desires and the whispers of Shaytaan and end up falling right back into what has been clearly prohibited. Those who do their best to try to validate music from an Islamic Perspective don't even deserve an adult conversation, rather they should be made to feel stupid simply because when you spit in the face of the hadeeth, ayaat, saying of the sahaaba, salaf and the greatest of the classical and contemporary scholars and would rather follow the opinion of some munaafiq mickey mouse, you really do need a good back hand or beating with your own mic/guitar/ridiculous looking drum.

I pray Allah guides these musicians. They need to make a decision, do they want music or do they want Islam. It's either one or the other because by Allah you can never have both. Will the guitar have the ability to save a person from the Hell-Fire?

ARGcomment: Jazakallah khair bro, small edit on the word "idiot" though ;)

Fatima Barkatulla

The only thing I would add to that is that both Yusuf Islam and Dawud Wharnsby Ali have good voices and clever and moving lyrics. They don't even need musical accompaniment, they are that good. I had a show on Radio Reality last Ramadan and they had a 'no musical instruments' policy. Only duffs and synthesised voices. Why? The brother in charge said 'we want to be inclusive, and don't want people to have to turn off the radio.'
That is so sensible. That's what Islam Channel need to do.

Abdillaah

Assalamu' Alaikum

There was NO unity at the event, it is pure Ikwaani event, and the likes of Yasir Qadhi and other salafi brothers meant well.
But they should not go there in the first place. With all the fitnah and stuff.
You wont see likes of Abu Usamaah Dhahabi, Abdur-Raouf Shakir, etc lecturing there!!!

All I can say it was an event full of Bidaah
May Allaah Forgive us and guide us.

Wa'alaykum'salam

ARGcomment: the statement that there was "no unity" is an exageration, and I'm not sure what "pure ikhwani" is exactly. As for the claims that certain people should not go there, they know their position, the needs of the people and Dawa in the West, the correct fiq in these lands and its application better than most people I know.
OK, so AbuUsama and Shakir wouldn't go...and! So what? What does that prove? Don't they go to places with fitna? Like universities? They do! In fact don't they live in the West where there are pornographic adverts on billboards, nakedness in the streets and much evil besides? And why do they/you stay here? You could go to Yemen, or Saudi or many other places?
You stay in this fitna for dawa.
So what is difference between this and that?
Everyone has to draw their own lines, and do what they think is right, based upon knowledge. Yasir is one of the most knowledgable of the Salafis in the west that I know. It seems verging on arrogance and misconduct to say that "they should not go there in the first place".
"Full" of bidah! Hmmm... Actaully bida was something I thought the event seemed fairly free of..minus the whole singing controversy. Although I didn't see everything, most of the event, certainly on Sunday, were lectures. No bida there I think!
Anyway, thanks for the comment, but let's try and keep them as constructive as possible.
Please take a lead and example from Fatima, who's balanced and focused comment I put up as an article.

Fatima Barkatulla

Evidences to prove that musical instruments are impermissible. (From an article I found by a scholar):

There are numerous evidences in the Qur’an and Sunnah which support this view. We will attempt to look at a few:

1) Allah Most High says:

“And there are among men, those that purchase idle tales, to mislead (men) from the path of Allah and throw ridicule. For such there will be a humiliating punishment” (Surah Luqman, V. 6).

The great Companion Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”:

“By Allah its meaning is music” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 & authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411).

Imam Ibn Abi Shayba related with his own transmission that He (Ibn Mas’ud) said:

“I swear By Him besides whom there is no God that it refers to singing” (132/5).

The great Companion and exegete of the Qur’an, Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) states:

“The meaning of the word is music, singing and the like” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/221& Musannaf Ibn abi Shayba, 132/5).

He also stated:

“Music and the purchase of female singers” (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayba, 132/5).

Hasan al-Basri (Allah be pleased with him) said:

“This verse was revealed in relation to singing and musical instruments” (Tafsir ibn Kathir, 3/442)

The same explanation has also been narrated from Mujahid, Ikrima, Ibrahim Nakha’i, Mak’hul and others (Allah be pleased with them all).

The above verse of the Qur’an, along with the statements regarding its meaning is clear in the prohibition of music. It also serves as a severe warning for those who are involved in the trade of music in any way, shape or form, as Allah warned them of “Humiliating punishment”.

As for those that say, the verse refers to things that prevent one from the remembrance of Allah and not music, do not contradict the aforementioned explanation. The interpretation of the verse with “things that prevent one from the remembrance of Allah” is a more general interpretation which includes music and song, as one of the foremost things that stop you from the remembrance of Allah is music. This is the reason why the majority of the exegetes of the Qur’an have interpreted the verse with music only, or with all those acts that prevent one from the truth with music being at the forefront.

2) Allah Most High says whilst describing the attributes of the servants of the Most Compassionate (ibad al-Rahman):

“Those who witness no falsehood, and if they pass by futility, they pass by it with honourable avoidance” (Surah al-Furqan, V. 72).

Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas relates from Sayyiduna Imam Abu Hanifah (Allah be pleased with him) that the meaning of “falsehood (zur)” is music & song, (Ahkam al-Qur’an, 3/428).

3) Allah Most High said to Shaytan:

“Lead to destruction those whom you can among them with your (seductive) voice” (Surah al-Isra, V.64).

One of the great exegete, Mujahid (Allah have mercy on him) interpreted the word “voice (sawt)” by music, singing, dancing and idle things. (Ruh al-Ma’ani, 15/111).

Imam Suyuti (Allah have mercy on him) quoted Mujahid as saying: “Voice (in this verse) is singing and flute” (al-Iklil fi istinbat al-tanzil, 1444).

Another exegete, Dahhak (Allah have mercy on him) also interpreted the word “Sawt” with flutes. (Qurtubi, al-Jami` li Ahkam al-Qur’an, 10/288).

Here also, a general interpretation can be given, as indeed some commentators of the Qur ' an have done, but this, as mentioned earlier, does not contradict the meaning given by Mujahid and Dahhak, as it is included in the more broad and general meaning.

GUIDANCE OF THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH
(Allah bless him & give him peace)

The are many Ahadith of the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) which prohibit music and the usage of musical instruments to the extent that some scholars have gathered approximately forty Ahadith, of which the chain of transmission of some is sound (sahih), some good (hasan) and some weak (da’if). We will only mention a few here:

1) Sayyiduna Abu Malik al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) reports that he heard the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) say: “There will appear people in my Ummah, who will hold adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments to be lawful” (Sahih al-Bukhari)

2) Abu Malik al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) narrates a similar type of Hadith, but a different wording. He reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Soon there will be people from my Ummah who will consume alcohol, they will change its name (by regarding it permissible. m), on there heads will be instruments of music and singing. Allah will make the ground swallow them up, and turn them into monkeys and swine” (Sahih Ibn Hibban & Sunan Ibn Majah, with a sound chain of narration).

In the above two narrations, the word ma`azif is used. The scholars of the Arabic language are unanimous on the fact that it refers to musical instruments (Ibn Manzur, Lisan al-Arab, V.9, P.189).

The prohibition of musical instruments is clear in the two narrations. The first Hadith (recorded in Sahih al-Bukhari) mentions that certain people from the Ummah of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) will try to justify the permissibility of using musical instruments, along with adultery, silk and alcohol, despite these things being unlawful (haram) in Shariah.

Moreover, by mentioning music with the likes of adultery and alcohol just shows how severe the sin is. The one who attempts to permit music is similar to the one who permits alcohol or adultery.

The second Hadith describes the fate of such people in that the ground will be ordered to swallow them and they will be turned into monkeys and swine (may Allah save us all). The warning is specific to those that will hold music, alcohol, silk and adultery to be permissible. It is something that should be of concern for those who try and justify any of these things.

Also, to say that music will only be unlawful if it is in combination with alcohol, adultery and silk is incorrect. If this was the case, then why is it that the exception is only for music from the four things? The same could also be said for adultery, alcohol and silk. One may then even justify that alcohol and adultery is also permissible unless if they are consumed in combination with the other things!

Thus the above two narrations of the beloved of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) are clear proof on the impermissibility of music and songs.

3) Imran ibn Husain (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “This Ummah will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones”. A man from amongst the Muslims asked: “O Messenger of Allah! When will this be?” He said: “When female singers and musical instruments appear and alcohol will (commonly) be consumed” (Recorded by Imam Tirmizi, Imam Ibn Majah in their respective Sunan collections, and the wording here is of Sunan Tirmizi).

4) Sayyiduna Ali ibn Talib (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “When my Ummah begin doing fifteen things, they will be inflicted with tribulations, and (from those 15 things He said): “When female singers and musical instruments become common” (Sunan Tirmizi).

5) Na’fi reports that once Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with them both) heard the sound of a Sheppard’s flute. He put his fingers in his ears, turned his mule away from the road and said: “O Nafi’! Can you hear? I (Nafi’) replied with the affirmative. He carried on walking (with his fingers in his ears) until I said: “the sound has ceased” He removed his fingers from his ears, came back on to the road and said: “I saw the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) doing the same when he heard the flute of the Sheppard” (Recorded by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad and Abu Dawud & Ibn Majah in their Sunans).

6) Abd Allah Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Verily Allah has forbidden alcohol, gambling, drum and guitar, and every intoxicant is haram” (Musnad Ahmad & Sunan Abu Dawud).

7) Abu Umama (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) said: “Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affairs of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance” (Musnad Ahmad & Abu Dawud Tayalisi).

8) Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi).

9) Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) said: “On the day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress” (Recorded by Ibn Asakir & Ibn al-Misri).

10)Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Bell is the flute of Shaytan” (Sahih Muslim & Sunan Abu Dawud).

There are many more narrations of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) in prohibition of musical instruments and unlawful singing. I have merely mentioned a few as an example.

The imam of the Shafi`i school, Imam Ibn Hajr al-Haytami gathered all these Ahadith which approximately total to forty in his excellent work ‘ Kaff al-Ra’a an Muharramat al-Lahw wa al-Sama’ , and then said: “All of this is explicit and compelling textual evidence that musical instruments of all types are unlawful” (2/270).

STATEMENTS OF THE FUQAHA

The great Hanafi jurist al-Kasani states:

“If a singer gathers people around him only to entertain them with his voice, then he will not be considered a upright person (a’dil), even though if he does not consume alcohol, as he will be considered the leader of sinners. If however, he only sings to himself in order to eradicate loneliness, then there is nothing wrong in doing so.

As far as the one who uses musical instruments is concerned, if the instruments themselves are not unlawful, such as the bamboo and tambourine, then there is nothing wrong with that and he will still be considered upright. However, if the instrument is unlawful, such as the lute and the like, then he will not be considered a upright person (to be a witness in the court. m), as these instruments can never be considered lawful” (Bada’i al-Sana’i, 6/269).

It is stated in Khulasat al-Fatawa:

“Listening to the sound of musical instruments is unlawful (haram), as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Listening to songs is a sin” (4/345).

Ibn Humam, the great Hanafi Mujtahid makes a decisive statement in his famous Fath al-Qadir:

“Unlawful (haram) singing is when the theme of the song consists of unlawful things, such as the description of a particular living person’s beauty and features, the virtues of wine that provoke wine-drinking, the details and particulars of family affairs or those songs that mock and ridicule others.

However, songs that are free from such unlawful things and they consist of descriptions of the natural things, such as flowers and streams, etc… will be permissible. Yes, if they are accompanied by musical instruments, then it will be unlawful even if the song is full of advice and wisdom, not because of what the songs consist of, rather due to the musical instruments that are played with it.

And it is stated in the al-Mugni of Ibn Qudamah (Hanbali Madhhab) that musical instruments are of two types:

1) Unlawful, Such as those that are specially designed for entertainment and singing, like the flute and mandolin, etc…

2) Lawful, like the playing of the tambourine (daff) at weddings and other happy occasions” (Ibn Humam, Fath al-Qadir, 6/36).

The same has more or less been mentioned in the other Hanafi works also, such as al-Ikhtiyar, al-Bahr al-Ra’iq, al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya and others.

Imam an-Nawawi, the great Hadith and Shafi’i scholar states:

“It is unlawful to use or listen to musical instruments, such as, those which the drinkers are known for, like the mandolin, lute, cymbals, and flute. It is permissible to play the tambourine (daf) at weddings, circumcisions and other times, even if it has bells on its sides. Beating the Kuba, a long drum with a narrow middle, is also unlawful” (Mugni al-muhtaj, 4/429, & Reliance of the traveller, 775).

There are many other statements of the Fuqaha and scholars such al-Qurtubi, and each of the four Madhhabs, but due to the length of the article, I will suffice with the above.

As for those who hold music to be lawful usually present the Hadith of Sahih al-Bukhari in which two girls were singing in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her).

However, the permissibility of music can not be justified with this Hadith. The Hadith expert, Ibn Hajr al-Asqalani has refuted this claim in length in his Fath al-Bari, 2/345).

Firstly, these young girls were singing without any unlawful musical instruments and secondly, the content of the song was regarding war, thus perfectly lawful. Also, they were not professional singers as the words of the Hadith clearly indicate.

Some try to justify music with the Hadith in which the permissibility of playing the tambourine (daf) is mentioned.

However, as stated in the works of the Fuqaha, to play the tambourine is permissible at weddings, as it is not designed for sole entertainment and pleasure, rather for announcement, etc…

CONCLUSION

In the light of the above evidences from the Qur’an, sayings of our beloved Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) and texts of the various Fuqaha, the following is the decisive ruling with regards to music:

Musical instruments that are solely designed for entertainment are unlawful, with or without singing. However, to play the tambourine (daf) at weddings (and other occasions according to some fuqaha) will be permissible.

As far as the songs are concerned, if they consist of anything that is unlawful or they prevent one from the obligatory duties, then they will be unlawful. However, if they are free from the abovementioned things (and they are not accompanied by instruments), then it will be permissible to sing them.

Shabber

Assalamalakum to all,

I read the sisters blog above and thought i should send this to AG, but what do i find on his site, al humdulilah good news travels fast. So after reading the comments and peoples frustration over the whole music thing, i posted the link below to a Quran recitation and wonder why would we need nasheeds or music when we have recieters like this.

Relax and enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7rUlnlP1c4

Shabber

PS. AG when u coming to Dubai, Dubai Tourisim are trying to get you to come over for the shopping festival, not to shop but for our dawa tent......:)
ARGcomment: Please see blog entitled Ayaat for reason why this is proving difficult right now :)

Shabber

Assalamalakum its me again, this time I wanted to add another link to a child reciting the Quran. The boy is from Saudi and after pondering over the sister’s blog again I wanted to discuss some thoughts about the up bringing of children and the affect of the society and may be to adjust our goals.

Video version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16cyGddFxps


MP3 version

http://www.edutility.com/yaseen.mp3

Saudi is a country which subanallah until you start to really think about it you don’t realise the effect, it is a place that is still reaping the rewards of the presence of the Prophet Mohammed(saw) and his companions.

Think about it, we are talking over 1,400 years ago. Yes Saudi is not perfect but it’s a start, I myself live in UAE moved here about 7 years ago from the UK, so I have seen the affects of the society on the Muslim children, in the UK, and in the UAE. You could probably place UAE as a half way house between the UK and Saudi, which half is UAE closer to depends where u live in the UAE.

But one thing I have experienced here that I never did in the UK, we mention the feeling of brotherhood and belonging to Islam, I some times felt in the UK brotherhood was skin deep, not from the true heart, most places in the UAE are the same, very artificial and as Steven Covey mentions the Personality Ethic, we live in a time where we have to pretend to be someone, and as Muslims from the west we have been influenced by this, so when we start practicing Islam we naturally bring this with us, so we end up looking the part but with out no real Islamic character.

Al humdulilah my real benefit from UK came with hanging around A Green as I felt more than just skin deep or lip service to Islam, mashallah the barakah could be felt, and when you read how the angels are with you when seeking knowledge you do get this inner peace.

I realise now that changing one’s character from within, trying to be like the companions, trying to implement the hadeeth’s we keep reading and hearing takes time, it is a slow and hard change, there is no fast character change on the menu.

My most difficult time moving to the UAE was leaving the close brotherhood I had developed with AG, and then trying to find Muslims in the UAE who I could say understood the true meaning of Islamic character, only to be shocked into see Muslims running after the dunya, when one moves to a Muslim country they naturally bring down their defences.

But I knew that I had to be patient and that this was all part of the lesson and tests, What I didn’t know was that I had made hijrah from the UK when my first son was born, I made du’aa that by the time he was 4 I wanted to move a Muslim country so he could grow up in an Islamic environment, then the month that he turned 4, I was in the UAE, Al humdulilah.

Working in the UAE I also got influenced by the dunya, but slowly the skin deep, lip service of Muslims started to affect me, and slowly one thing after another we moved out of Dubai to a poorer Emirate, Ajman. As history tells us again and again, Islam is with the poor, and mashallah I found a good student of knowledge here, originally from Morocco but had lived and studied in Saudi, what I found with him was not that one could sit and learn Arabic, Quran or study other books but it was his understanding and implementation of Islam, on himself and his children, here was a man who understood and implemented the deen, he has 9 children and they live next to the mosque in 3 small rooms, the children mashallah were all full of light and happiness, they didn’t cry out for this or that but mashallah content with what they had, all on their way to becoming hafiz of Quran.

So I decided to test myself, I said to myself if I was alive at the time of the Prophet(saw) who would I be, or where would I be? Would I be the person who lived 1000km away on the eastern side of Arabia being a Muslim and knowing the Prophet(saw) was alive and living in Medina, or would I get up and make hijrah to be with the Prophet(saw) and his companions, even if I was not able to study, but the affect of being in Medina would have a affect on me and my family. So, today the Prophet(saw) is not here, but we know the successors of the Prophet’s are the scholars.

And again another du’aa made during Umrah, that Allah(swt) bring me and my family closer to people of jannah in this life and the next, and without consulting my wife on this she had also made a similar du’aa

So after consulting with my family we moved closer to this student of knowledge, close enough that we could walk to his mosque. Before we moved we had for 3 ½ years been looking for a good Quran and Arabic program for my son, yes even in a Muslim country that is on the fast lane to dunya it is hard to find good Quran and Arabic programs.

And then my son started sitting daily with this Sheikh, and mashallah over a short period of time he has been given the confidence to speak Arabic, he sits with the Sheikh and at the age of 8 considered the Sheikh his friend, someone who gives him green mint tea and biscuits, someone who invites him for breakfast and lunch. The Sheikh has two sons one teen and one the same age as my son, and thinking about what the sister talked about in her blog, I would say we should never think of these events as a substitute for a proper Islamic environment, this is the western style of feel good factor, give the people these short regular good feel environments, instead the Muslims in the UK should be building long term Islamic environments, and every individual can start by looking around them for good Imam’s, and students of knowledge, like mashallah Yasir and Abu Usamah and others and moving closer to them to benefit from them on a daily basis, for example going to the mosque and just sitting for 5 minutes after salah, or making sure your children go and not just study but play sports and other activities with people of good character, this is what rubs off on the children, and there’s no point crying over split milk, and making excuses these places or people don’t exist, do you really think your Lord would leave u? If you don’t get up and do something why should Allah(swt) help you?

And yes… it means sacrifice and hard work…..and patience. If you have the ability then make hijrah to a Muslim country, for your family there is no comparison to the non-Muslim lands.

Well, it’s a long statement but I felt I would share my experience of trying to find that better Islamic environment, that feel good factor, that feeling of being in a Islamic environment.

Shabber

Abdillaah

Assalaamu' Alaaykum

Abdur-Raheem, I understand where you are coming from, actually Abu Usamaah resides in Birmingham, my point is that you wont see him uniting with deviant speakers. If you want to unite don't call it Islam then. Simple.

Islam Channel invited a magician to perform some tricks, but later they cancelled this! People complained on the forum.
This shows their knowledge of Aqeedaah which they have, look at Unity TV, speeches by Tahir Ul Qadri, who is a student of Muhammad al Alawi, defender of Shirk in Duaa, he been reuted serverly by our Ulaamah, some considered him to be Kafir.

Regarding Nasheeds refer to Shaykh Fawzaan book entitled 'Benefical answers'

Most people didn't come to learn Ilm from the likes of our brothers Bilal Philips and Yasir Qadhi, they came because of Nasheeds and Girls.

Masha'Allaah Jalal Ibn Saeed stated a good thing calling music haraam. As far I aware no one said this except him.

Wa'Allaahu'Alaam.


Insha'Allaah there will be a new Salafi channel, called NoorTV, not Noor Tv of the Brawelvi. It will be broadcasting in urdu and Arabic and hopefully in English. Here is a clip:
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=Noortv

Wa'Allaahu' Alaam
May Allaah Forgive us and Guide us

Calltoislam.com

Ejaz

By the way, I met Abu Usamah in the main hall on Saturday of the event. He was definently there but not speaking

Unite Muslims

Assalamu Alaikum,
Mashallah this is a great insightful post, one of the best I've read recently. Jazakkallahu haira sister Fatima Barkatullah.

I agree with you in many things and it's sad to see prominent Muslim personalities and enthusiastic Da'ees prioritising Dawah above allegiance to Allah's commands. But I disagree with you in one point. You say, "...It's sad to me, but I will not be attending such events in the future." While I feel your concerns, I think this is dangerous thought. If people like you don't go to such events and point out the fitna and mistakes who is going to do it? If you don't want your kids to go, then at least you should go. You were able to point these mistakes because you went there didn't you? If you hadn't gone to this event how will you know what mistakes were made and would you have written this post or would you have got stimulated to write to Islam channel? As you said and like brother Abdur-Raheem wrote in the previous post there were many good things at this event and some bad things. We must try to improve those good things and remove the bad from future events not a wholesale boycott. If people like you drop off from events like these that'll mean fitna's will increase. And also to make a good Muslim society we need to know whats happening and for that we must get involved in the activities of the society. This puts us in a position to enjoin the good while slowly remove the haram as well as educate others of the shortcomings.

wassalam,

Shabber

There are two issues regarding going to these events:

1. The effect of the event on you and your family

vs

2. Being there to be a good role model and point out mistakes

Well i don't have to mention to everyone shaitan's trick of making one believe they are doing good and in reality the environment is having an affect on them.

There are different levels of good and bad, if some muslim is used to going to concerts and then they go to this event rather than going to a concerts then we would say this is good.

On the other hand if someone goes to learn Quran at this time and instead decides to go to an event with nasheeds and instruments then we would say this is not good.

We all would be judged according to our decisions, and al humdulilah we all have answers from Quran and Sunnah, like the sister mashallah did she stayed at the event until something haram happened and then she followed the hadeeth and got up and left, she saved herself and her family from an evil, there were people there who would not have known evidences for music being haram, where as others would have known and been too weak to leave.

This doesn't excuse the organisers as they will be accountable for their actions because it was within their control to avoid free mixing and not to allow music. As to the individuals, within their control was to leave and say this is haram.

In the end of the day our goal is only to please Allah(swt), if we do things to please the people because hey, nasheeds with instruments are popular and will make my event a success then we will be judged accordingly.

One of the biggest tricks of the shaitan is to make us believe that our rizk and fame is in our hands, so in today’s age we should adjust, u know, shave a little, shake women’s hand because its business, etc. Let me give you a example, In the UAE there are two emirates next to each other Sharjah and Dubai, everyone today knows Dubai as to be a successful modern city, and most also know that alcohol is allowed, interest banks are plenty, prostitution is not clamped down on, but what most people do not know is that Sharjah was once Dubai, they allowed everything and were more developed than Dubai, then one day the ruler of sharjah started to became stronger in Islam, he banned alcohol, there are no interest based banks that are setup in Sharjah, only Islamic banks and there is a dress code, and people thought the ruler was going backwards, but subanallah rizk is written, Sharjah mashallah is growing as fast as dubai, and enjoying their own wealth, one ruling family doing it the right way and the other the wrong way, they both getting the rizk that was written for them but possibly ending up in two different places and Allah(swt) knows best.

My point, we should not compromise on pleasing Allah(swt) by pleasing the people, but that does not distract us from you using wisdom with the people, It would be better for people like Yasir, Abu Usamah, AG, etc to talk at these events rather than other people who promote bidah, IT DOES not MEAN they endorse everything at these events.

If you give dawah, go to these events and give dawah, just like going to speakers corner, Leicester square, Universities, etc. Leave the kids at home if there is going to be music etc, I am sure the organizers advertise what’s going on at the event.

Anyway while I was writing this my attention was distracted by this article, going back to rizk….

“Richest 2% own more than half the world – study” – UN Study

http://www.gulf-news.com/business/Economy/10087450.html

"The super-rich are even more grotesquely rich than 50 years ago," he said

Why run after the rizk or fame, how good was my event in the eyes of the people?

Save yourself and your family from the fire, then others around you, you are no good to anyone if you are drowning and trying to save everyone else from drowning, save yourself first and get firm footing then those closest around you, then others.

My 10 pence worth.

Shabber.


Fatima Barkatulla

Well...to be honest I only posted part of my whole comment on the GPU event as a comment on Brother ARG's blog. The whole post is on my own blog (if you click on my name below you should get there).

I was thinking about exactly what the 'Unite Muslims' brother said....If people who disliked aspects of it stopped attending, would that mean that it would just keep on getting worse? The thing is, that The Islamic ruling is that it is impermissible to witness the haram and it is upon the people who have influence to attend such places and then enjoin the good and forbid the evil. For example, the Prophet would send appropriate people to do da'wah with leaders and others to do da'wah with the ordinary people. Islam Channel and other event organisers seem to measure success by measuring the number of attendees and I think that I can't see myself making much of a difference to the event from the inside. I mean I could have watched it on Islam Channel and then written that comment, I didn't need to be there really.
The other thing is that when people see people like me there, they see it as an endorsement from the practising Muslims and think we accept what is going on. That's what it looks like, because it isn't that easy to go to the event and be surrounded by all the hype and then turn around and criticise it to people around you, because they'll just think your a party-pooper and the da'wah will not be effective. I think the tullabul 'ilm, and other muslims who can volunteer and help organise the event should go, because it is really the people on stage and behind the stage and organisation side of things that can really make a difference. As for the ordinary attendee...then I'm afraid that for me it decreased my Iman. Until Br. Jalal said what he said, I was there, feeling like a minority, and an extremist when I was just trying to preserve aspects of my deen. Why should I go somewhere to feel that? If I felt I had some influence I would definitely attend...but I don't. Br.ARG, Yasir Qadhi, Yusuf Estes, Jalal ibn Sa'eed, etc etc should definitely keep going and using their influence to tell Islam Channel what to do. But again, some people I know actually thought that some of the Tullabul 'Ilm didn't think there was anything wrong with the music because they didn't say anything publicly. People see silence as consent. (Though I'm sure the tullab must have objected to it in private). One brother we know actually stood up and started waving his arms up and down when one of the singers brought his guitar out, saying 'No, don't do it!' Do you think it made a difference, when most people were cheering when they saw the guitar?

The other thing is that my husband used to be a presenter on Islam Channel and he tried to talk to the management about these sorts of things. The management told him, they didn't mind if 20% of Islam Channel contents were haraam as long as 80% were OK. If you can influence the management, then you'll have real influence.

Fatima Barkatulla

Re: living in a Muslim country.

Before marriage, I left the UK when I was 16 to live in Egypt. I was going to stay there for 10+ years but then ended up staying for 2 years, studying Arabic in language centres and in the Al-Azhar pre-university section. I still miss living in a Muslim country and as a family we have tried to move abroad for many years...in the time we were trying to move abroad, my husband even went for interviews in UAE, but Qaddar Allah, we haven't been able to move abroad yet. So I had to have a plan B. My plan B has been to homeschool my children and send them to Muslim schools here, and to take them to Egypt every year for the summer. My sons speak Classical Arabic (ma sha Allah laa quwwata illa billah), because I spoke to them in Arabic from their earliest days...and they are still learning, but they can have after school lessons with a sheikh we know nearby in Arabic now. They are also memorising Qur'an. The thing is that, some of us try to make hijrah, but can't, so we should get whatever good we can from here. There are some things that are good here that do not exist in the Muslim world...believe me...things like a sense of fairness and integrity in exams and achievements...an eye for detail in doing things well etc. etc. (The teachers in Al-Azhar used to regularly help students cheat in exams...which annoyed me because coming from the UK, I studied hard only to find other people in my class who hadn't studied, being told the answers in the exam hall!!) Ofcourse the good in Muslim countries is more and the bad here is more, but what I am saying is we have to be pro-active and make the most of where Allah has given us to live for now. We can also do da'wah to non-Muslims here on a level we couldn't in Muslim countries, so while we're here, get the reward for what we can't get elsewhere, and then if we move elsewhere, reap the reward for whatever good we can do there.

One more thing...people have to have wisdom when making hijrah and think things through and have a plan B. Many people I know made hijrah suddenly, and have travelled to various Muslim countries and then been thrown out because they couldn't find another job and weren't very employable and then, they're back in the UK sending their kids to state schools and living on the dole. If all else fails, the only country who will have us back is good ole blighty, so better have a plan B. Ultimately Allah decides who is successful and not in Hijrah...make du'a for us, that we may follow those who have made hijrah successfully insha Allah.

aman

Salaams peeps!!

8-10 years ago the (limited) nasheeds, at least in the west/ in english language, consisted of simple lyrics with no instruments (or the accompanying occasional percussion beat), and a handful of well known nasheed artists.

Given the development of, what has now undeniably become, the nasheed industry the trend is worrying indeed. From simple lyrics without or with minimal percussion instruments to the current trend where any musical instrument under the sun goes accompanied by "islamic" lyrics, professionally produced videos and the ever increasing list of "nasheed artists" seems very worrying to me. Often the arguements of:

- more expressive ways of reaching out to non-muslims/ non-practicing muslims
- da'wah purposes
- alternative methods of entertainment to "what's out there"

are put forward as justifications in favor of the nasheed phenomenon. I just wonder what our beloved Prophet or his early community who helped the light of Islam reach from Spain to the Orient within a span of century or so would make of this? Are we burrying our heads in the sand.........

I was present at the 2006 GPU and it was my second visit to such a major Islamic event (first one being "Uniting for the Prophet" in 2005). The hysteria of the crowd manically rushing towards the entrances whilst throwing aside islamic adab, people (sorry to say but overwhelmingly it was sisters) holding up their mobile phones in order to record clips/ take pictures of thier favorite artists, the relative disinterest in talks/ Qur'an recitation compared to when the nasheed artists come on stage when there would be hooting, screaming, whisteling and such like which would increase ever more when the artist themselves would urge on the audience for more...... i could go but its depressingly worrying.

Without even debating the music in Islam issue, worrying trend.... or not........?:

- Chants of recommended adhkaars in a melodic manner (some of MYNA raps stuff, various traditional & relatively unknown groups)
- Islamic songs, no instruments, Allah/ Prophet mentioned a lot, simple lyrics mainly aimed at children (old stuff of DW Ali, Zain Bhikha, Yusuf Islam, Silence de Mosques)
- The above but with minimal percussion instruments (as above, Shaam)
- The above but with more variety of instrument (Raihan)
- The above but with wind & string instruments
- The above but with more "creative" lyrics that don't mention Allah or Prophet but still within an Islamic ethos e.g. anti-drugs, anti-injustices (Native Deen, SOA, ANP, BlakStone, various arab artists)
- Female nasheed artists/ Muslim(ah) musicians: although some have justified the like as long as the sister is below the age of puberty or performing only in front of a female audience (Miss Undastood, Naadira Alli, many malaysian artistes, female opera type singing as background to "We Will Never Submit" from My Ummah album)
- Mixed genders performing duets together (Child's Prayer from Allah Knows album, female backing vocals in the instrumental version of DW Ali's 'Prophet for Profit)
- Mixed
- All the above with accompanying videos, websites, MySpace sites, posters, CDs, DVDs, memrobilia (many nasheed artists)
- NMA's (Nasheed Music Awards) - for best male/ female/ video/ genre awards (?........coming soon)
- Nasheeds in mainstream or muslims doing mainstream music (Outlandish, upcoming DW Ali & Yusuf Islam stuff, Aman, Kareem Salama)

In no way am I trying to be sexist or backbite against any specific nasheed artist/ Muslim musicians. The above artist names are only used to give just a few examples to prove that it is already happening within the mainstream Islamic events. Unfortunately quite a few of our sisters seem to be idolising these artists in the same way that mainstream music artists are idolised in the popular western/ bollywood culture. Islamic events where the audience purely look forward to the 'entertainment' and speakers are given shorter and shorter durations to speak, where Qur'an recitation serves no purpose but as a token opener for the events ahead, where nasheed CDs are sold by the bucket loads, where nasheed artists sign autographs/ sell posters promoting themselves & their albums, one has to question where we are headed and how Islamic these events really are.

Beautiful lyrics and stated intentions and all; do the ends justify the means? I think this is an indication of our lack of creativity that we seek such means as 'halal' forms of entertaiment and a proof of our ignorance that we use such like as "methods of da'wah". Who would have though that da'wah was meant to be done through living example, dialogue and wisdom instead of churning out another Nasheed album.

All the major jurisprudence schools of thought bar none have in no uncertain terms unanimously agreed upon the impermissibility of music in Islam. Admittedly those scholars who hold a more open and relaxed opinion/ interpretation on the issue of music, who lets not forget are in a overwhelming minorty, seem to be influencing the majority of muslims when it comes to permissibility of music. Best case scenario regarding the issue of music in Islam is that it is a very grey area, and personally I'm begining to feel the benefits of steering clear of this slippery slope most of us unfortunately seem to be getting increasingly comfortable with.

Entertainment?!? Bring me the desert bedouin who (without any instrument in sight) recited pristine poetry in praise of the prophet NOT as a means of living/ earning a quick buck/ being idolised/ promoting his talents - but purely for the love of his Creator and his Messenger.

The line between islamic music/ nasheeds and the mainstream music industry is becoming more and more blurred each year. I just hope we have not opened up another Pandora's box for ourselves..............

Are the prophecies manifesting amongst us? Thank Allah for the Prophet who came with the truth.........
"“From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, ‘Return to us tomorrow.’ Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection.”

Allah (SWT) knows best. May He (SWT) guide all of us.

Peace

NB

For the sake of da'wah... Has anyone ever heard testimonials of people who came into the deen or started practising the deen from the influence of nasheeds?

Fatima Barkatulla

You have painted a more depressing picture than I envisaged! It really is a pretty bad situation. In fact it is worse than when we were younger....at least if our generation were into mainstream pop music, when they started practising they knew that the whole love/sex theme in most music made it haram...the problem with the nasheed culture is that Shaitan has managed to blurr the line between halal and haram for the majority of Muslims who do not look into these issues deeply. So it's easier to get into it..."if Yusuf Islam is back doing it, it must be OK"..."so and so famous sheikh says it's OK so I'll just follow his opinion"...."the meaning of the songs are good, so they can't be haram"...etc etc. So people just dive straight into it...

The Da'wah reason is a BIG trick of shaitan and I've noticed it occurring quite frequently recently: "We have to do this because it will be good for da'wah" "The benefit outweighs the harm" etc. are common reasons given for allowing haraam things for example: having photos of women without hijab in magazines, using music and rap and hip-hop to reach the youth or non-Muslims. Haram doesn't become halal because we perceive there to be a benefit in allowing the haram! It is only when there are two PERMISSIBLE choices that we are meant to weigh up the benefit and detriment or if there are two inevitable evils that we have to choose between with no way out.

Also when it comes to da'wah we have to remember:

1. Allah ordered us to do da'wah.
2. Allah told us Music is haraam...
3. therefore He would not ask us to use a means which He made haraam, to carry out His work! That would be a contradiction.

4. It is not the means that make the da'wah successful...rather it is Allah's will that makes somebody come closer to the deen...we must use all of the halaal means possible to do da'wah. That is all we have been asked to do. The success of the da'wah is not in our hands.

5. Allah doesn't need us to carry out his work. So it is not as though without using Music to attract people to Islam, Islam would not spread. It will spread regardless. It is for our own reward and fulfilling a duty that Allah has enjoined upon us that we do da'wah, not because Allah needs us or Islam needs us.

rasheed gonzales

as-Salâm 'alaikum wa rahmatullah brother 'Abdur-Raheem,

My name is Rasheed Gonzales. I’m not sure if you remember me—I’m a filipino convert from Toronto who met you through Shabbir Ally and his Da'wah Centre some years ago.

I wanted to comment on something you said in response to one of the comments posted above by brother Abdillaah:

“And why do they/you stay here? You could go to Yemen, or Saudi or many other places? You stay in this fitna for dawa. So what is difference between this and that?”

I don’t think that this is really a fair thing to say given the fact that migrating to Muslim lands from non-Muslim lands isn’t exactly the easiest thing to do for many brothers and sisters living in the West.

Regardless of the initial reasons why some of us find ourselves here in non-Muslim lands (whether it be coming here with the mistaken notion that it was allowed, whether it be for money and worldly gains, whether it be as refugees from war-torn lands, or whether it be that we were born here), some of us are here in the West because, quite frankly, we’re stuck here and can’t leave.

The fact of the matter is that not all of us can go to places like Yemen or Saudi (however much we would love to). Some of us wish to be able to go to a Muslim country and not be told to leave after staying a few years. Some of us are barely getting by making only enough money to provide the necessities for our families; not being able to save up enough for airfare—let alone the amount of money needed to survive the initial few days or weeks in a new country without a job or a place to live. There are many different circumstances that Muslims in the West find themselves in, and it’s not so simple as your statement makes it sound; migrating for Allah’s sake is a bit more difficult than it sometimes seems. Some of us remain in this fitnah not because of da'wah, but because we have no other choice at the moment; da'wah is sometimes not the reason why we’re here, but rather one of the things we’ve chosen to involve ourselves in as a result of our being here.

Akhūkum fillah,
Rasheed, Aboo Ishaaq.

Ps. I see you’re into mountain biking. If you’re ever in Toronto again with some free time to ride, give me a shout. I’d be happy to show you some of the trails we’ve got here in the city.

Shabber

Have to mention this in regards to this topic. I was listening to BBC WS and they had Yusuf Islam interview on their world music program, normally i do not listen to this program, but they had advertised the Yusuf Islam interview.

Anyway i was shocked...

here was a Muslim that many Muslims from around the world looked up to and respected him for giving up music and fame for worshiping Allah(swt) and now here he was promoting his album full of music with instruments including the guitar.

And to all those who are thinking lets make excuses for him, think again, yes lets make excuses for people who hide their sins, but here we have someone really dangerous, who is showing in public by example music with instruments is HALAAL, for everyone who starts listening to music with instruments because of him they will sin and he will get their sin….

So if he wants to in public say and show music and instruments are ok for Muslims then prominent Muslim leaders should mention something about this, so Muslims can be on clear understanding, at least they should ask him the relevant questions and make his stand clear.

Normally you have to be weary of media but they interviewed him saying that he moved away from his conservative view on music to a more moderate view.

If anyone knows more than please let me know, if I hadn’t heard this interview I wouldn’t have mentioned this due to back biting, but I felt he went public with this album and made it clear in the interview about his view point about music.

Fatima Barkatulla

This is the very reason I talked about this issue openly. Not because I dislike the singers involved. My son goes to Yusuf Islam's School and we are indebted to him for his work for Muslim schools in this country. He used his own money to fund the first Muslim school that eventually grew into a secondary school for Boys and Girls and has been running for 23 years. We all admired him for that.

But when a person openly does something like this and on top of that promotes it and brings 'proofs' to convince the Muslims too...then we have to do the right thing and forbid the evil. There is no backbiting here. It is to prevent a greater fitnah, that of a resurgence of our youth into Music. I know someone who bought a guitar and started learning how to play it when they read that he (Y Islam) had gone back to playing one. It was like the stamp of approval or proof that they had been waiting for.

ARGcomment: It the signs of the last days. The fitan will follow, one after the other, like peals falling from a broken neckless. And at each one the believer will think,"this one will get me."
May Allah help us all take lessons and keep us firm on his path.

Zimarina

Can someone please clarify for me that it is indeed ok to openly refute Muslim X for taking a position (like music being permissable) without it falling into the realm of backbiting?

(providing ofcourse we maintain all the etiquettes in that we're addressing a fellow Muslim?)

Oh- and I have to say on a side note; mash'Allah mash'Allah I am really heartened by the calibre and well thought out nature of the comments here on the music issue- we have got some articulate gems in our Ummah, Allahu akbar!

ARGComment: All we can say is that there are certain people excused because of ignorance. Malcom X was only a true Muslim for a short while before he was murdered by the Nation.

Zimarina

LOL

I meant Muslim X as in any muslim, like joe bloggs but the Muslim version- not Malcolm X (may Allah [swt] have mercy on him) !

hehehe ;)

ARGcomment: Subhanallah. Well they say when you read you brain sort of skips stuff that doesn't fit and correct the errors, so I must have read Malcom X. Never hear of Muslim X b4! OK, well I guess its still the same answer anyway!

unaware

I stumbled to this blog and was really shocked to read the report of Sister Fatima Barkatullah on the Global Peace & Unity Event that she attended. She wrote that she truly believes that what happened in this meeting is the fulfillment of the Prophet's prophecy: “In my ummah there will be people who allow fornication/adultery (zina), silk, wine and musical instruments [ma’aazif]. Her quote of this specific hadeeth means that fornication was performed and wine was offered in this event. Therefore, I am extremely chocked that her condemnation and that of the other respondents focused on the most trivial violation which is music and did not react the commitment of the major sins. Have Muslims became so confused about the ranking of the different prohibitions!

ARGcomment: What is really shoking is that you think that Music is a minor thing! That fact that the Prophet saws mentioned it along with fornication and khamr is an indication of its evil.
Also, there is nothing to prove that these things we necessarily be made halal all together at the same time. In fact possibly Muslic is the first to be made halal, because it is the opening of the door to other evils.
Islam is a deen that not only forbids evil, but forbids the avenues that lead to evil. We should not take any of it lightly, minor sins or major!
To claim that quoting the hadith means that fornication and khamr were also present is, I am sorry, pure nonsense! She clearly never intended that, and I'm feel sure that none of the readers or commentors understood that either. The confusion here, it seems, is all yours.
As always, thanks for you comment, and we always appreciate frank and open discussion / criticism.

Fatima Barkatulla

Re: openly refuting a Muslim, is it backbiting?

If a person is openly calling to something haram (though they may think it is halal), and justifying it and causing others to be influenced, then it is the duty of Muslims to refute that person and they can be named openly, because they are not hiding the fact that they are involved in that haraam. If a person sins in private and/or is not not encouraging others to do that sin and will not influence others, then we should hide their sin.

That is not to say that we character assassinate the person who is openly doing the impermissable act, or go over the top in criticising him, but that we enjoin the good and forbid the evil by informing people that that evil is evil and that that person has done an incorrect act with X consequences and the reason why he is wrong is that the shari'ah says-X.
Otherwise how could we enjoin the good and forbid the evil.

unaware

This input is a general advice to all of us because we tend sometimes to belittle making something that is potentially Halal as Haram without serious study of the issue and analyzing all the evidence. While I personally don’t listen to music because I feel more comfortable with the safety of avoiding it, I would not force my views on any one because I strongly feel that equating something that may be Halal with major sins as zina and alcohol is in itself a major sin and transgression on Allah’s authority. This is why all scholars make the statement not to follow their opinion unless you understand their basis which is the Quran and the Sunnah. Imam Malik said: “I am just a human being who can be right and can make mistakes, so investigate my opinion, if it is consistent with the Book and the Sunnah, then follow it and if it was not that way, you should leave it.” Imam Ahmad said: “Don’t imitate me, or Malik, or Al-Shafie, or Al-Awzaie or Al-Thouri, but take from what they have taken.” Obviously this does not mean that unqualified Muslims go to the Quran and the Sunnah to derive rules, it meant that scholars have always the rights to question other scholar opinions. The same views are expressed by Imam Al-Qarafi who is one of the Maliki jurists who said: “The stagnation in interpreting the meanings of the text is misguided and leads to misguidance”.

I am fully aware that early scholars have used the Hadeath mentioned by Sister Fatima Barkatullah to make music haram but some recent scholars such as Shiekh Yousef Al-Qaradawi and some not very recent such as Imam Ibn Hazm had different interpretation of this hadeath and thus differentiated between music that are used with lyrics that are moral and music that are used with lyrics that are immoral. I tend to sympathize with these views because if music is a major sin, there would be have a stated punishment for it if it is performed in public as is the case for zina and drinking intoxicants, though I feel more comfortable with the early ones. Any one has the right to accept the early views that all music are not acceptable independent of the lyrics but it will be wrong to force these views on others since this subject became a matter of difference between righteous scholars. It is well knows that differences between the opinions of the scholars is a mercy from Allah and if Allah wanted to make the matter settled, He would have revealed a verse or a Hadeath that would not have been a subject of any difference in interpretation.

As an added comment, even I may feel strongly that music is Haram, I would not condemn it in our times when many Muslim youth are listening to what is truly Haram songs. I do this on the basis of the general Fiqh rule of “hardship requires dispensation” and its other sub-rules as well as the differentiation between the prohibitions of aims and the prohibition of means. As most of you know that this subtle differentiation is derived from the Prophet’s hadeath that prohibited setting on the roads. But when the companions said that they gain benefit, he said: If you set then give the road its rights. Scholars said that the prohibition of setting in the road was not a prohibition of aims but a prohibition on means because it is not Haram in itself but it could lead to something Haram. So, if there is a need, the prohibition of means is allowed.

Finally, as a general advice, I hope that our responses to those whom we disagree with are civil because as the Prophet (PBUH) said: “I have not come except to perfect the good manners.” Note that the prophet (PBUH) did not say that he came to correct the bad manners but he said that he came to perfect the good manners. Sometimes we make a good argument then we add a derogatory remark at the end that does not add anything thing to the response other than hurting the other person feeling which is obviously not Islamic. May Allah reward all those who express their sincere views for no reason other than maintaining the purity of our Deen that Allah revealed to bring mercy, peace and facilitation to all mankind (Al-Quran 2:185, 4:28, 5:6, 7:157, etc.) .

ARGcomment: Thank you for that, and you have raised some very interesting issues indeed. However I have a few contentions with some things in the comment.
Certainly we should be careful, about everything! Please note that in your saying "...equating something that may be Halal with major sins as zina and alcohol is in itself a major sin and transgression on Allah’s authority." seems to me a very unsafe statement in the context of our discussion considering the fact that the Prophet saws himself equated Music with major sins in the hadith in Bukhari under discussion here. Also in the view of this and other authentic texts and what seems something like an ijma of the early scholars (although I am not quite sure of this) it seems that there is no doubt musical instruments are haram. Ibn Hazm and Qardawi's positions just seem like one of those strange opinions that scholars occasionally seem to adopt and are not really taken notice of. Every scholar has some type of allowance and dispenstion, and if we followed every such dispensation in us would gather every evil!
Secondly not including Music as being a major sin because there is no specific punishment associated with it is an opinion about what constitues a major sin. To say that there is no specified punishment is not actually a proof of it not being a major sin. Some thought the major sins were five, some seven, some more than seventy. It seems that Abu Hanifa allowed the smashing of musical instruments by someone who heard their sound, and to even enter a persons house to do that!
Based on this opinion and using the principles you have laid down ("but it will be wrong to force these views on others since this subject became a matter of difference between righteous scholars") it is wrong to criticise those who wish to forcefully stop others from playing musical instuments because to do that (ie forcefully prevent playing musical instruments) is actually approved of by one of Islams most major scholars! Its a bit odd how we apply certain principles sometimes rather subjectively.
Some will find it hard to accept that the lawfulness of Music is a matter of ikhtilaf since there are indeed verses of the Quran and clear ahadith concerning its prohibition. These are not ambigious at all. When we have numerous scholars declaring Music haram, supported by such evidences it seems specious to argue that this can still be referred to a matter of ikhtilaf. This is even more pronounced when the sholars condemning Music are from the earliest generations of Islam, those allowing it are from the latter era.
There were opions even amoung the sahaba concerning the permissability of anal sex and mutta (temporary marriage) under neccessity, but these were never accepted as part of permissable ikhtilaf. In fact these opinions came to be discarded.
And Allah knows best.
There are other matters that deserve to be discussed but my lack of either time of knowledge or both does not permit that here.

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