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Thursday, 01 March 2007



It is hard to say what the motives of Italians are for defending Abu Omar. If it is for the sake of justice, then it is good for them.

As for the corruption in Bangladesh, no doubt it is endemic. In fact, it is endemic in the Indian sub-continent. It is hard to believe... but some of the government officials think that it is their right to ask for bribe in order to move the paper from one desk to another! Fortunately, at least in India, this problem is waning due to rapid computerization of the records and in some cases you can even see your records on the internet. A good example is the near complete transparency when you book your tickets in Indian Railways, whether on the net or at their counters.

The kind of corruption that happens in the Indian sub-continent involves a few 10s of local currency. A "positive" way to look at it from the economic point of view is that since almost everyone is involved in bribery, money gets circulated in the economy and therefore making it "beneficial". Surely, it does not mean bribery is to be endorsed or condoned. What is halaal is clear and what is haraam is clear.

The corruption in the West is of a completely different dimension. It involves billions of dollars in the form of bribery, account manipulation among other things. Come to think of Enron and MCI Worldcom! The monies involved here ran in few billions of dollars, which is annual GDP of some poor African countries combined! In the UK, not too long ago, the Serious Fraud Office had dropped a corruption probe into a defence deal with Saudi Arabia, after warnings it could damage national security! That says something about the level of corruption endemic in the Western societies, Although it does not involve an average Joe on the street, but it still affects him indirectly.

ARGcomment: was that corruption with Saudi? Oh dear, what a shinning example! Yes, you are right. And justice is there for average person, but this does not extend to foreign policy where injustice is on a massive scale.

maha shaikh

what kind of website is this?

ARGcomment: Its called a blog!


"We Muslims will never rise above these people and attain what they have attained until justice flows in our veins and families, villages, towns and governments. Justice is the life blood of a nation and the essence of civilized society. When it leaves civilized society withers and dies." Perfectly put...

A friend of mine recently came back from an Arab country where he was stopped, and to told to wait in his car due to a government convoy that was driving past. He ended up waiting over two hours on the side of road and the convoy was at least 10-15 cars long. It might sound petty but lets contrast that to Mrs. Blair who catches the tube or politicians in Australia who drive in front seats of ordinary looking cars (there was actually a public push a while back to give them taxi allowances instead!...i kid u not).

As a side note what would the islamic ruling be on giving bribes in situations where it is almost a must in a society for anything to be done?

ARGcomment: I'm not aware of what the scholars have said on this matter.

Shabber Adam

Mashallah, I think you have hit the nail on the head, but I would like for all of us to come down to earth, What can we do? What is hijrah? When was the government, society justice establish at the time of the Prophet(saw)?

We have to remember that the foundation of Islam has never been about government or laws of the country. Let us carefully analyse why people are unjust or corrupt:

1. If I break the law I will get punished, and there’s a good chance I will get caught, I fear the law.
2. If I am unjust or corrupt God will punish me, I fear God

Western countries option 1 is the normal state of mind. In Muslim countries, you would be lucky on a society level to find either option, individual level you will still find option 2 in Muslim countries.

Now we all know the statistic in the western countries that was asked of young men, that if they knew 100% that they could get away with rape would they do it, and shockingly a large percentage said they would. So we can safely say people in the west fear being caught by the police. And we can safely say people in the Muslim countries neither fear being caught or fear Allah(swt)’s punishment, because if they feared Allah(swt) they would never do it even if there was no law to say don’t.

So now we are in a situation on this earth, TODAY, were we do not find the rule of Islam, west or east. So now for Hijrah, what do we do, well, lets start by completely ignoring countries borders as they keep changing and never existed at the time of the Prophet(saw). So once we do that then we can make hijrah to an area or actual place.

So, how do we prepare ourselves as Muslims on this earth, the same the Prophet(saw) prepared the sahabah, what was the Prophet(saw) teaching the people for the first 13 years? The Prophet(saw) set the foundations in the Muslims that enabled them to be ready when the Islamic state was setup, when the laws came, the Islamic state did not need a police state to establish fear in the people so they would obey the law, how many police were needed when the prohibition of alcohol came in Medinah, and compare that to how many police were needed and how many people died when the US tried to ban alcohol.

OK, so now we need this environment that the Prophet(saw) setup, and he preached it in Meccah (then a non-muslim land) for 13 years. We also know that the Scholars are the successors of the Prophet’s so now our duty is to make hijrah to the scholars of today, were ever they live, and the very sad fact is that you can not compare the scholars living in the Muslim lands to the ones living in the non-Muslim lands, there are scholars in Egypt, Saudi, Yemen, Pakistan, India, Jordan and all over the Muslim lands, maybe not in the big cities but in many places, how hard have we tried to live with them learn from them, hope the sweet smell of emaan will rub on to us and our families. If you can find me these level of scholars in the UK some where, I will be the first to move there.

The reality is not to think about moving to certain countries, or big cities, think were are the scholars, which places do they live, make hijrah for that reason, and if they move, move with them, like when the Prophet(saw) made hijrah from Mecca to Medinah.

There is barakah with the people of paradise, search and find them in this life and world, and inshallah you will be raised with them, if you can not make hijrah to them to the muslim countries, find the best amongst them in the UK and move to them.

My final point ask Michael Moore about white collar crime, basic point if the people did not fear the law cooruption in the west would be rampant, and more so than in the Muslim countries, as you will still find some people in the Muslim countries who fear Allah(swt).

And Allah(swt) knows best,

ARGcomment: Very interesting point. I do think that being with and near the scholars is a great blessing, and certainly a large part of the solution to our problems, but it seems there is something else at work here. If it were that simple, then these places where we find the scholars would be changing and be centres of goodness and the revival of Islam.
I remeber discussing with someone about Mauritania and how there they send all the "bad boys" out to the dessert to study with the Shieks, but the society at large has a lot of jahiliyyah. It seems that despite these great ulema there is not much a programme of dawa and tarbiyyah. It is only rarely that you get someone who combines the ilm and leadership qualities that can transform nations!

Fatima Barkatulla (Umm Yusuf)

I don't think we should 'Hijrah bash'. I think we should accept that there are valid views for making hijrah and valid views for staying in the West with conditions....

I don't think it is always a fair comparison when comparing scholars in the Muslim countries and scholars in the UK. Allah knows best who has a higher rank with Him in individual cases because for example: a person or a scholar in a Muslim country may be a pious worshipper with a clean heart who teaches people fiqh and tafseer and lives quite an easy life in terms of trials and another in the West may seem to be less involved in pure acts of worship, but may be working to inform non-Muslims about the Prophet Muhammad, remove misconceptions about him and about the deen of Allah, leading to many of them coming to Islam (remember it is better for you than red camels!), you do not know which is more beloved to Allah.

What about scholars who are from Muslim countries and studied with top scholars in Saudi Arabia, and then come and live in the UK and do da'wah here. I know of one such scholar, and he has good character, knowledge and was brought up in the Muslim World for most of his life but is in the UK working in da'wah and to increase the knowledge of Muslims here...and he doesn't say that Hijrah is a must, in fact he believes that there is a lot we can do from here and has sent tullabul 'ilm to go out and study and then return to the UK...he is Sheikh Haitham al-Haddad. We just studied a course with him and it was brilliant. Does a scholar's moving to the UK suddenly make them lose their excellence?

ARGcomment: May Allah reward you with much goodness Fatima!
Firstly I hope no one is Hijra bashing, inshallah.
I have been meaning to open this topic for some time, and its something that has come up in my speeches ever since I started doing that in speakers corner. Everyone who knows me and has listened to me over the years will know that I have been both at one and same time one of fiercest critics of the West amongst the Muslims here, yet at the same time I have always tried to balance that with praising and extolling its good qualities. I have been the same with the Muslims. To me it's all about fairness and justice.
What I have noticed over the years (and the the 7/7 bombers are syptomatic of this) is a shallow and imbalanced position from many Muslims, that comes from a shallow understanding of Islam and what is really important in regards to our character and personality and what is truly pleasing to Allah.
This is why I have quoted the hadith about the woman who used to fast and pray alot but spoke evil about her neighbours. The Prophet saws said she was in the fire.
It seems to me people judge the evil of the west in a shallow way. When we talk about hijra we are supposed to moving from a place of evil to a place of less evil. I am begging the question to those who have made, or are thinking of making hijra, what evil are you running from and what evil are you running to. Give up your simplistic notions and think deeply.
As for Scholars, I was going to mention Sheikh Haitham myself. Mashallah, Allah has blessed this land with this man.
Let's not forget Sheikh Suhaib Hassan who's knowledge and experience is vast, and in Mancherster Sheikh Kahlan, who not only has knoweledge but he is a Sheikh in manners. You could hijra to Manchester just to learn from him!
There are also many good students of knowledge like Abu Isa Naimatullah, also in Manchester, Imam Shakeel, Abu Aayliah, Faraz Farhat that come to mind. There are many others also. This land is also blessed with many good callers and workers. This is without even looking at the Hanafi, Ashari/Maturidi/Deobandi's from whom much benefit can be gleamed for the solid students of knowledge.

Shabber Adam

"It seems that despite these great ulema there is not much a programme of dawa and tarbiyyah. It is only rarely that you get someone who combines the ilm and leadership qualities that can transform nations!"

At that point i totally agree with you, There is a wide gap between ilm and practice, this is the same problem we had and I suppose still have in the west, when i was growing through practice 'Islam growth pains', there was a lot of talk, a lot of ilm, and this hadith and that hadith, and we all assumed if we talk about it enough it might sink in and we might change. This would make an interesting subject to discuss, What are the fundamental foundations of character change, and how do we in reality implement such changes, what were the key changes or the method that the Prophet(saw) used that had such an impact on the companions that people became complete opposites of who they were before.

Steven Covey has a interesting research into this through his book 7 habits of highly successful people, but again there is a gap between what he writes and actual practice, how do we bridge the gap.

ARGcomment: I think perhaps it is passion, drive, unstoppable energy and conviction. The truth is it takes just too much effort, involves too much hardship, and requires equal amounts of patience. Even the best of people are daunted by it. Few are really ready and willing to climb that mountain, although the may climb other mountains and still reach impressive heights. One mountain is enough for most of us!

Shyed Shahriar

Few years ago a young brother ( Sorry I con't remember his name) , who was born in a Bangladeshi family living in America was kidnapped by some foreign security officials , with the knowlwdge of Bangladeshi government, from Bangladesh. ( The news never came in any of TV or Radio nwes in our country.It came only twice on so called "Extrimest" Islamic newspapers)He was taken to U.S. and we never heared anythin about him later.

This very young brother left US for good and made hijra to Bangladesh, was trying to get settled in Bangladesh, and he had been married for few days before his kidnapping.

N.B.- While he was being kidnapped ("arrested" according to government officials, later they also admitted that they had no information about him) he had some islamic CDs in his possesion. At the time and even after some days later he had no charge brought against him, then he vanished.

Mohammed Maaz

AsSalamu Alaika brother, how are you?

I just returned home and on my way back I was listening to this lecture of yours (Islamic Law - Justice or Oppression?) wherein if I've got this correct you said that Shaikh-ul-Islam Ibn Taimiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said that Allah swt will support a nation even if they disbelieve but are just.

What I fail to understand here is that if a nation disbelieves they are automatically unjust towards their creator, creator's message, the Messenger, etc etc...

Could you please clear out this issue for me?

JazakAllahu Khairan! :)

ARGcomment: yes, that is true. However this mean just in the treatment of the creation. We have the rights of Allah and the rights of creation. Most people fall into one of two matters. Either they give the rights to Allah and do not give due attention to the right of the creation, or they give the rights to the creation but not to Allah. some give neither, and some do both.
So in this regard what ibn Taymiyyah meant is that in respect to giving the rights to the creation. This is the sunnah of Allah, and Allah knows best.

Mohammed Maaz

OK got that... another thing that I wanted to know since some time now is that, here in universities, minimum requirement for granting of a term is that the student must attend 75% of his/her classes... incase they fail to do so, they would be detained. But the colleges here fine the students who are defaulters in this case and allow them to carry on with their next term. The fine varies with the amount of classes you've missed, lower the attendance, greater the fine. Is this permissible? As I've read that some scholars consider this as riba?
And in case it is riba... and we have to pay this fine, can we settle it with the interest we have in our bank accounts? Since avoiding interest in banks here is inevitable (and money is safe mostly in banks) and we have to get rid of that money... so can we channel it in such cases?

please help me out here, if such a situation were to arise with me!

ARGcomment: No, this is not riba as far as I can make out, but seems like a clever way of making more money. As for using riba to pay riba, then according to the majority opion this is not allowed, and Allah knows best.

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